joining me is bob dean from the national resources defense council. one of the groups behind that particular study. bob, thank you. welcome to the show. >> thank you, sandra. good to be here. sandra: so let me get this straight. you're blaming the warm winters, lack of snow on climate change? >> absolutely. you mentioned sandra, we're on track as of end of the november we had the hottest year on record in this country. 3.3 degrees hotter than the 20th century average. it hurt our farmers and ranchers, devastated worst drought in 50 years. fires detroit nine million acres of forest and fields. we'll seeing it on the ski slopes. climate change for the slopes means less snow on the ground, feuder skiers on the slopes. if you make your living in the business, less money in the wallet and paycheck. sandra: one might question that reasoning behind this and say a billion dollar loss for the industry over the past decade. your study says 27,000 jobs have been lost. i might remind you hey, we've been in a brutal recession. we're slow coming out of it. it might